Introduction to Philosophy: Meno, lecture 1
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Overview
Abraham Stone frames Plato’s Meno around two linked questions: what virtue is and how it is acquired. He traces Meno’s movement from confidence through aporia as Socrates tests definitions of virtue, develops the proposal that virtue is knowledge, and exposes tensions between Socratic inquiry, Gorgias’s confident answer-giving, and traditional hierarchies involving men, women, children, and slaves.
Key takeaways
- Socrates redirects Meno’s question from whether virtue can be taught to what virtue is, on the grounds that its acquisition cannot be assessed before its nature is understood.
- Meno’s first definition treats virtue as role-specific, but Socrates presses for a common account that applies across men, women, children, and slaves.
- The dialogue contrasts Gorgias’s training in confident answers with Socrates’s method, which makes Meno increasingly aware of uncertainty and the limits of his knowledge.
- Stone presents Socrates’s demand for one definition as partly reasonable and partly contestable: the word “virtue” may not have one species-like essence across all its uses.
- Socrates’s argument that virtue is knowledge rests on the claim that people seek what they think is good and that external goods such as wealth or power help only when used wisely.
- The Meno’s two accounts of virtue’s acquisition, teaching through knowledge and divine allotment, remain in tension, leaving open whether the final divine-inspiration answer is Socrates’s serious conclusion.
Chapters
- Stone explains the Athenian sentencing procedure: prosecutor and defendant each propose a penalty, and the jury chooses between them.
- Because each side is assumed to pursue its own interests rather than justice, the procedure is meant to encourage moderate proposals.
- The process can encourage fairer outcomes on average, but it cannot guarantee justice in any particular case.
- Socrates could have proposed exile, which Stone treats as a more just outcome than execution, especially because exiles could sometimes return.
- Instead, Socrates offers only what he considers just, even though he knows the jury may respond unjustly.
- Stone frames this as a conflict between Socrates’ duty to truth and justice and the operation of Athenian civic institutions.
- Stone argues that institutions persist not mainly because citizens understand their underlying reasons, but because customary practices reproduce them.
- The horse-training comparison distinguishes training animals for human use from allowing wild horses to be raised by other horses.
- Meletus’s claim that ordinary Athenians educate the young reflects a practical truth: if citizens cannot reproduce civic habits, Athens cannot endure.
- Meno approaches Socrates with companions and asks whether virtue can be taught, or acquired in some other way.
- Socrates redirects the inquiry: before asking how virtue is acquired, they must establish what virtue is.
- Stone presents this as a philosophical habit: examine what a question means before trying to answer it.
- Meno and Socrates treat virtue as something good to possess, and Socrates sometimes shifts between talking about virtue and goodness.
- Justice and moderation recur as examples of recognized virtues, though Stone notes the unresolved question of whether humans and horses could be good in the same way.
- The Meno also raises whether Socrates teaches virtue, and whether his claims in the Apology are compatible with saying here that he does not know what virtue is.
- Meno’s alternatives are teaching, practice, nature, and another means, later identified as divine allotment or inspiration.
- Stone connects the Greek term askesis with practice and the later word ascetic, while emphasizing its athletic-training sense in this context.
- The dialogue’s two major conclusions conflict on the surface: virtue appears teachable when it is knowledge, but divinely allotted when it is not.
- Stone divides the dialogue into four movements: Meno’s initial confidence, his perplexity, the proposal that virtue is knowledge, and a later appeal to divine inspiration.
- Aporia describes being unable to find a way forward or lacking the resources to answer.
- Meno accepts Socrates’ argument that virtue is knowledge, then loses confidence when Socrates argues that virtue cannot be taught because it has no teachers.
- Socrates describes Meno as handsome, wealthy, and well-born, traits Stone connects with power to rule over others.
- Meno is accustomed to public speaking about virtue and initially treats Socrates as someone whose reputation he can test.
- Stone notes that Meno’s social position matters to the dialogue’s later challenge to assumptions about who should rule and who should obey.
- Meno identifies himself as a student of Gorgias, who is presented as teaching students to answer any question confidently.
- Socrates’s phrase “as is fitting for those who know” hints that confident answering is appropriate only when one actually has knowledge.
- Stone cautions that claims about the historical Gorgias can be hard to separate from how Plato portrays him.
- As Socrates questions him, Meno’s responses become increasingly cautious: he says he does not fully grasp the question, then asks Socrates to answer instead.
- This change contrasts with Gorgias’s practice of answering fearlessly and magnificently, even without knowledge.
- Socrates claims that more time could persuade Meno of the value of his method, while Stone questions whether that method suits human limits and deadlines.
- Meno first lists different virtues for a man, woman, child, older person, and slave rather than defining virtue itself.
- He describes virtue as suited to each person’s activity, stage of life, and task, using the Greek concept ergon.
- Stone calls the answer sophisticated, noting that Aristotle also links a thing’s virtue to its ability to perform its function.
- Socrates rejects Meno’s list because it provides many examples instead of explaining what virtue is in common.
- Stone considers the demand reasonable in one respect: without a general account, it is unclear why each example counts as virtue.
- The demand becomes more contentious when Socrates requires a single essence or species, rather than allowing that “virtue” might be used in distinct senses.
- Socrates asks Meno to imagine defining the being of a bee, rather than listing different sizes or appearances of bees.
- Stone explains ousia as a term often translated “essence” or “substance,” distinguishing what a thing is from properties that can change.
- The bee example asks for what all bees share, but Stone observes that Meno probably could not provide a precise definition.
- Socrates asks for the eidos, or form, that is common to instances of a kind; the term can also be translated as species.
- Stone describes the sought-for form as one thing present throughout many members of a genuine species.
- Aristotle’s later distinction between species and weaker kinds of unity helps clarify why merely grouping unlike things does not establish a shared essence.
- Stone compares virtue to “bank,” which can mean a financial institution or a river’s edge, to show that one word may have unrelated senses.
- A single definition is useful if the different uses of virtue share something, but Socrates’s requirement of one essence is not automatically justified.
- The discussion foreshadows Aristotle’s treatment of terms that are related in different ways rather than unified by one species.
- Socrates compares virtue with strength, size, and health: people may have more or less of the same quality.
- Stone points out that descriptions such as “big tree” and “small mountain” depend on different standards, so comparison can hide a relevant context.
- The question of whether men and women share one virtue anticipates Aristotle’s disagreement with Socrates over gendered roles.
- Meno’s second definition makes virtue the ability to rule human beings, but Socrates asks whether a virtuous slave or child would then rule a master or parent.
- If virtue means ruling, the definition appears to undermine the very institution of slavery that Meno accepts.
- Stone argues that Meno senses the political implications and hesitates, because a universal definition conflicts with traditional hierarchies.
- Socrates gets Meno to agree that managing a city, household, or other task requires moderation and justice.
- A ruler who must act justly cannot command whatever benefits them, while an obedient person cannot simply follow any command.
- These shared requirements weaken Meno’s attempt to assign fundamentally different virtues to men, women, children, and slaves.
- Socrates argues that everyone desires what they believe is good, so knowing what is genuinely good is essential to acting well.
- Money, power, beauty, and health are not beneficial unless a person knows how to use them properly.
- Stone identifies this reasoning as the route to the proposal that virtue is knowledge, while noting that the next stage of the argument needs further explanation.
Transcript excerpt
0:02 Okay. Hello. Um So, I'm going to start by going over again some stuff that I really rushed over at the end last time. Um and then go on to the new reading. Um which had to do with um I guess like the third question I had written up last time was does Socrates behave correctly at his trial or something like that? So, and what I was trying to explain is first of all, like how the sentencing procedure is supposed to work. Right? So, we assume um we assume that each side
0:50 if if they didn't have to worry about the other side, we just ask them propose a penalty, would ask for as much as they possibly think they could get. Right? So, the prosecutors would like always ask for death, you know, if if it's serious enough for that. And if not, they'll ask for the most serious thing they think they can get. And the defendant will always um ask for as little as they think they can get away with. Um and um that is we assume that each side like left to itself is not going to seek truth and justice. It's going to seek uh its own interests. And like remember that the
1:38 there's no state prosecutor. So, the prosecutor it's it's it's always like a it's always like a civil trial with us. Right? There's always like two sides who are, you know, so the prosecutors are people who want to get this person punished. Um uh So, um uh Um And so, the purpose of having them each propose a penalty and the jury vote between them is that um each of them now has an incentive to moderate their demands. Right? Because if they go too far um and the other one other side proposes
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